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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:15 pm    Post subject: A Religious Debate  Reply with quote

This is more of a conversation then a story. But it happened just a couple minutes ago and I just want to get your guys opinions on it.



Zach says:
...I really prefer to be a follower of Jesus Christ rather than be refferred to as a Christian. I've lost some respect for that word.
Zach says:
Because of the half-hearted people that often use it.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
And also because Christians have slaughtered millions of people because "God" said so even though he also said "Thou Shalt Not Kill"?
Zach says:
You mean the crusades?
Zach says:
Yeah.
Zach says:
Those guys "said" they were Christians.
Zach says:
-.-.
Zach says:
So many people use that word like a...
Zach says:
Well, as a tool.
Zach says:
And its being used the wrong way.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
It took me a while to let go of Christianity.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
At first I called myself a Bibilistic Christian
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Which looking back makes no sense at all, I might as well have been a Theist.
Zach says:
Anywho, either way.
Zach says:
I'm still going to remain a follower of Jesus Christ.
Zach says:
Christian may very well be the same thing..
Zach says:
Problem is.
Zach says:
People misuse it..
Zach says:
So. Much.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Of course
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Question: Can you drink dea dly poison and live?
Zach says:
I think if God willed me to, I would.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
*Sigh*
Zach says:
XD. Yes, I know its in the bible.
Zach says:
Bible*
Zach says:
And, yes, I think God would protect me and I wouldn't die.
Zach says:
But I'm not going to test it.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Then if your son said that he was to become a satanist, and in your head a voice told you to drink poison and you will live. So that you can prove to him that god exists, would you do it?
Zach says:
A voice? Honestly, there is more than one voice in the human mind.
Zach says:
Even so, that wouldn't prove it true to him. The son would think its fake.
Zach says:
So.
Zach says:
The only way it would work if it was carefully orchestrated by God.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
But god doesn't have to orchestrate things
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
He is all knowing
Zach says:
Yes.
Zach says:
But he orchestrates things for the good of those who love him.
Zach says:
God uses everything for the good of those who love him.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Orly?
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Then why are little children in Africa who are Christians starving?
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Because god wants them to starve righT?
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
I mean obviously if he knows all then he would want this to happen.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Otherwise he would stop it
Zach says:
No. God loves them. And just because he loves them doesn't mean he'll stop it. Sometimes, people live the way they do for the sake that someone else might be saved. Of course, he will adress their needs sooner or later.
Zach says:
But I think, in many ways, the American Civilization is spoiled.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Now wait a second
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
So your saying that god doesn't stop little African children from starving because the little African children want to give there food to there imaginary friends?
Zach says:
No.
Zach says:
Your saying nothing that is related to what I'm saying.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Yes
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
I am
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Your saying that god doesn't help them because they are starving so they can save someone else
Zach says:
Yes. Other people who don't know Christ. There are hundreds of thousands of Africans that don't know the name of Jesus Christ.
Zach says:
Thing is.
Zach says:
They ARE REAL. They aren't imaginary friends.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
And they are going to start believing in him because the starving boy said that god makes him starve, and you should worship him so that he can continue to make you starve?
Zach says:
No.
Zach says:
You worship God because he DOES provide your needs.
Zach says:
God does provide thier needs.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
No
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
They provide there needs
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Or they don't
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Or they can;t
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Its one of those three
Zach says:
Nope. God does it. Do THEY grow the trees? Do they plant the fruit? Do they care for the plants that grow?
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Yes
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
They do, and the earth's natural cycle cares for the plants
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Or they don't
Zach says:
But God made the trees.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Thats why trees are chopped down, and plants die.
Zach says:
In the end, God uses everything in the end for those who love them through either good or evil. Evil, like starving, teaches them to build on their faith, and when their needs are provided, they learn to trust God more.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
There should be no need for that
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
God is cruel
Zach says:
No.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
God plays games with human kind because he wants them to think he's so cool.
Zach says:
Nope.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
YES
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
THATS JUST WHAT YOU SAID
Zach says:
Nope.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Evil, like starving, teaches them to build on their faith, and when their needs are provided, they learn to trust God more.

Zach says:
Indeed.
Zach says:
But.
Zach says:
Your viewpoint makes him out to be cruel.
Zach says:
When you think on the plus-side.
Zach says:
Its different.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
I think on both sides..
Zach says:
But, eventually, God will provide their needs.
Zach says:
Either way.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Then why have the starving died.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Why have the poor died.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Why have the weak died.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Why have the depressed taken there own lives
Zach says:
The depressed have taken their own lives...because they lost their faith.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
No
Zach says:
And they thought that God thought them as worthless, which is a misconception.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
No
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
No no no
Zach says:
But I'm tired of this.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Let me make one more point..Please
Zach says:
Its obvious we won't agree eye to eye.
Zach says:
So I'm simply walking away. And thats not cowardice. Cowardice is trying to get in the last word all the time.
Zach says:
Well...not cowardice..
Zach says:
But.
Zach says:
Trying to win the arguement.
Zach says:
And thats not how I deal with conflict.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
What about that 14 year old girl with the noose around her neck. The one that asked god to give her a sign, to help her in her time of need, and she kicked the chair.
Zach says:
She chose to kill herself.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
She asked god for a sign
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
And he gave her nothing
Zach says:
The bible says not to test God.
Zach says:
Except in tithing.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
So no one should ever pray again or ask god for help because its testing him?
Zach says:
No.
Zach says:
Asking God for help and killing yourself is NOT asking for help. Your basically making a mandate: God, you help me, or I'll kill myself.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
No
Zach says:
Yes.
Zach says:
But, I'm done.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Someone who is depressed can't walk out of that situation.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
I know, i've been there.
Zach says:
If someone was really willing to go on if God helped them would.
Zach says:
someone who*
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Whatever,,
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
One day you'll see that god isn't there for you, and only you and the ones you love matter.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
I'm done.
Zach says:
You continue to curse people in such a manner, yet you wish good for yourself. Such irony.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
What are you talking about?
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
I wish that everyone have great lives.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
But I'm a realist.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
That isn't how it works.
Zach says:
Well, I almost was a realist or atheist, once, but I saw something. Everything I knew about God made sense, despite all this crap you guys try to twist around to make God sound like the bad guy.
Zach says:
So, I'm going the way I chose.
Zach says:
And thats God's way.
Zach says:
To be a true follower of Jesus Christ.
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
Okay...Follow the masachist..
Briman- That...Was...CLOSE! says:
I don't care.
Zach says:
XD. So you say.
Zach says:
See ya around.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And what's so debatable about that? I tend to stay away from religious debates in general, mostly because people seem to think that having faith is stupid. Maybe it is, I guess that puts me out there along with the rest of the idiots who believe in the world's most bestselling book.


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